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In continuing our discussion on Human Intelligence and the predictive powers of IQ, Charles Murray joins the broadcast to discuss the latest science regarding ethnic and gender differences in intelligence.
Charles Murray is a political scientist, author, and libertarian. He first came to national attention in 1984 with the publication of "Losing Ground," which has been credited as the intellectual foundation for the Welfare Reform Act of 1996. His 1994 New York Times bestseller, "The Bell Curve," coauthored with the late Richard J. Herrnstein, sparked heated controversy for its analysis of the role of IQ in shaping America's class structure.
The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life
Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010
By the People: Rebuilding Liberty Without Permission
Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980
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Stefan molyneux I don’t care how you put it ...you can’t compare a black man genes which is completely human...with a subhuman hybridize diluted mutt race ....a wild chicken is different from a domesticated chicken in a farm, wild pigs are different from domesticated pigs, lab rats are different from field rats. Brown bear are different from polar bear. And they all performs better than the diluted domesticated or lab ones. Etc Etc.
How are you going to completely compare some one that has 2k years or more of heads start to 40 years....that’s like comparing a one year old to a 50 years old man. That had everything lended to him. Whites people knows they can’t defeats a black man at anything if they don’t get a head starts. Besides wasn’t it the blacks that took them out of the caves and introduce them to water n soaps, civilized them ,
Just like parents don’t tell their kids everything, masters doesn’t teach their students evrething. I’m pretty sure there is hidden secrets that black peoples genetically have in them and which whites folks got a little of is love. Ones black peoples starts loving them selves and starts to accept them selves for who they are regardless of their hair texture, nose structures, facial features, skin tones, etc. when they finally have that ability to by pass that and starts to units instead of divisions they will rule the entire world again. Your time is up white folks ...that’s why you are playing unfairly....
We are nothing less but gods manifestation in the flesh...enduring great harsh experience. That’s why you scared of death ....you cry why me .... and we rejoice after suffering great tribulations n trails.
The same way we got more souls and spirits when when something great just takes over us in church, in voudou ceremonies, music, sports, dancing, playing instruments....those are the ways that we can tell we are gods manifestations experiencing in the physical flesh. You are nothing but a fundamental phenomena with flesh just like us. But god takes away the precious pigment, melanin to differentiate its self from u. The same way we are by days ( powers by the sun ) and you are by nights sucking the bloods that are powers by the sun. U need us in other for your generation to strive beyond. I can’t believe a fixed almost infertile albino ,mutant , hybridize (rhesus macaques, Neanderthals) mutt race , Dracula mostly active at nights n can’t stands the sun.bloodsucking leash.
A right-wing characteristic that exists is compartmentalisation (a politically neutral statement, no offence to ppl on the right) this is how Stefan puts down other groups, he classifies people and puts them in rank order of who he things is the dumbest. What he has could be considered a gift but when you use it to put down an ethnic group, you are not using your gift wisely. Scottish people, or European people as we should call them were Celts (Gaels/Picts/Brittons) were actually cultural groups. If you look at the genetics, people are pretty much mixed up all over Europe, happened in the middle-ages. Scottish people, at least a third of people, live in impoverished conditions and rely on state welfare as working families. Those in south east England, where the most wealth is concentrated in the United Kingdom, clearly have greater living conditions and environments, so you can't argue that race is the issue, when the environment is completely different you couldn't possibly measure differences without this being controlled for, this is a major flaw in the argument pushed by Stefan and colleagues, people can't learn if they are in a constant state of alarm because they in a bad area.. This is the problem with the IQ/Race debate, it's a self-report measure, not really 100% reliable.
Also, speaking of shared environments, we know in psychology that twins are in fact treated differently in the home. If you are going to test a set of twins in adult life, well that's not possible, secondary socialisation has already taken place.
I don't know if basing it off of IQ Tests is a substantial way to judge. Simply because "blacks" may not have time, or "economic muster" to keep taking IQ Tests over and over again. Not to mention a lower population in higher poverty. I would reckon there would be more whites available to take the test than blacks. Not to mention the amount controlled in incareration. It's all about the context folks.
And let's not generalize here. There are plenty of black billionaires who are successful at what they do, and there are plenty of poor white people who have failed in life. And with how history has been, blacks that can override their slave past and overcome, is more proof of the potential blacks have to succeed.
And if we do want the world "white", is that really ok? Wars and Conquerships were all started by whites with blacks usually being in peace and solitude, regardless of economics.
When one understands there are NO clear Races ,or Ethnicities
Some Turks may have same Genes as particular Greeks .One would be surprised at the variety of genes between various Africans
These guys are bent ON connecting Race and IQ .Even though there’s a lot they DO NOT KNOW ,if one listens carefully
Countries with high average IQ will come out on top eventually. This translates into east asian countries: China, Korea and Japan. The western world is already lost due to mass immigration of peoples with low IQ. Even if mass interracial marriages would occur the average IQ would still lag behind. The problem could even be worsened by massive "white flight" to asian countries. Cultural Marxism and feminism killed western cultures.
11:00 Wait a minute. Murray thinks that because white and black IQ differences stopped narrowing after the 60’s, that this argues *against* environmental factors, and in favor of intractable differences??
If his claims are true, it would seem pretty obvious that the welfare state and the destruction of the black family are probably mostly responsible for this.
The black environment changed radically after the welfare state. He isn’t remotely comparing like with like.
LOL The rationalization for White Supremacy is so ridiculous..LOL I think these people really think they are discovering things..LOL.....LOL Most humans Caucasian, Mongoloid or Negroid are louts....the difference is not important until more people are actually intelligent. Intelligence is more than I.Q
Why not identify criminal elements and demolish those GENETIC groups? I don't give a crap about any other aspect - live and let live. Target criminals from Hillary to the average gangster... I support Trump because he supports GOOD PEOPLE from ALL backgrounds. Society should focus on trouble makers only.
LOL! So I guess that means Mongoloids rule ALL! Trump says he is smarter than Stephen Hawking, Kim Ung-Yong, Paul Allen, Sir Andrew Wiles, Christopher Hirata, Terrence Tao and Garry Kasparov combined. Yuge intelligence.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5bO0b3U30
It is obvious to anyone who has lived in Africa that the continent has a low IQ. African IQ 70, just look at the average 'standard of living' the squalor, the slums, filth and inability to raise standards. See the inability to govern themselves properly. Any of the higher IQ races would clean the place up. It is the same for Aborigines in Australia, they have even lower IQ. In Australia, money has been thrown at the problem and it is demonstrable that IQ is inherited. Aboriginal IQ 65, cannot be ameliorated through education. IQ, like other evolutionary and inherited traits, is a fact of life. Evolution is no respecter of anthropomorphic sensibilities. These are the true facts of life.
Stefan use more simplistic language like Charles Murray. You are not a scientist, but youtube podcasting demagogue, so act like one instead of trying hard to feed your ego by demonstrating how many smart words you know.
One only has to look to the development of western civilization compared to the development in other societies to see there is truth to this. Nothing is absolute and there are always exceptions. This all being said, no one should be treated differently because of their intelligence and other societies have developed other attributes.
Murray said things about women that I have often thought myself. Being bogged down with childbearing and nurturing is a big barrier to personal achievement. They have sacrificed their advancement and possible greatness at the alter of a mound of dirty diapers. Now that the
world population is around 7.5 billion, maybe women can have the luxury of scaling back the baby making. That should free some of them up to do better things.
NEGROEs hate this book
but Blacks don't ????
Dark skinned indians from India do well on the test
Guatemalans do well on the test
Polynesians do well on the test
Negros / Africans do not do well on the test ??
Indians are Caucasians, and look what they built in their entire civilization run. Guatemalans built temples and developed their own math, while Polynesians spread across the pacific to Africa and the Americas on their own. What did negroes do
Still trying to apologize for the truth in " The Bell Curve ". HEY THE DATA DID NOT LIE THEN AND THAT STUDY IS STILL VALID TODAY. Deal with the reality of you previous study. I made good money by being a true scientist and staying truthful with the facts. Grow a pair and stop being PC om everything.
There is no doubt that ethnicity plays an important role in IQ.
But, when we talk about IQ of a specific ethnic group, we are only referring to the majority of the cases.
Of course, there are many individuals in every ethnic group around the world who are intelligent and have a high IQ.
But, over all, as evident from observation,
Blacks and Latinos tend to have generally low IQ,
while Whites and Asians tend to have generally a higher IQ.
It is this genetic variation in ethnicity that gives us diversity, and it's a fact.
Even if there is a discrepancy across the board between different ethnicity's IQ ...So what ! Whats the point , they dont deserve the same rights . And what about the people who would be out lyres..say a black female with an IQ of 160 or say " Neil Degrasse Tyson " and what about some one who is white or Asian who despite maybe having an IQ of 180 , is a beach bum and drops out of 7th grade ... dose he deserve more right s than an black man who busts his ass achieves an PHD and works as an pediatrician because his IQ is maybe 120 . wHATS THE POINT OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION ?
Instead of talking about it from a scientific viewpoint and figure out how to fix things we are told it's not politically correct so the people that can solve these issues are made to keep quiet. It's backward and making things worse. That goes for everything not just the subjects they are talking about.
It is absolutely absurd to equate higher rates of crime in men to men being more criminal than women. Women don't NEED to steal, because women are always taken in and cared for, while men are on their own in life. If women were treated like men, and had to fend for themselves like men do, they'd steal like raccoons! And just because women don't FIGHT in wars does not mean they don't play a role in starting them, ESPECIALLY since they got the vote.. women have ALWAYS controlled the majority of the expenditures of a household; women have ALWAYS had influence over the men in their lives and are supremely able to manipulate men. And women are every bit as violent and aggressive as men (most domestic violence is started and committed by women..), they are just never held accountable for it because they are held to the standards of children.
Just because there exist an average does not mean that correlations or causal relationships exists between the variables : Blacks with low IQ does not mean Low IQ is attributed to being black. The fact that there are variation in IQ of people of the same race means that the race does not contribute to the variation as it is a common factor. Otherwise the IQ would be the same regardless. Also if there is a genetic linkage this is also not attributed to race. Let me explain.
I believe Thomas Sowell already talked about race not being a factor in IQ. The reason for increasing IQ in different ethnic groups is due to the rise in their socio-economic levels over time e.g improved schooling, increased wealth, increased interactions with people of different backgrounds. This tends to reduce the level of misinformation and opens up different avenues of comprehension that in the long run improve the IQ of the individual. They become better in problem solving and pattern recognition as they are not misinformed and/or using partial information in their decision making process.
* In fact as of World War One Jewish Soldiers scored well below the American national average on metal tests in the army.
* Blacks that grew up in Germany had a higher IQ than blacks that grew up in the projects.
* People that grow up on welfare, public education have lower IQ than those who grow up going to private school and are not on welfare. This is regardless of race. This is due to the quality of education they get.
* Individuals that are a part of an isolated culture also have lower IQ that those that are a part of a larger group. This is evident in African Americans (from the projects) as well as the Scottish people that are a part of the Hebrides island.
* It is extremely important to understand that an average looks at a large number of people that have different experiences and tries to break them into similar group so as to be able to carry out an analysis and draw conclusions. However there will always be heterogeneity in the data.
* This is particularly evident in Sub- Saharan Africa. There are over 40 nations with different groups of people, systems of governance, cultures, economic growth, political stability e.t.c. Was the analysis done by looking at the poor africans in rural areas ? What about those africans that live in the cities ? What about the level of education of the africans? what about those africans that are not formally employed?
* This would indicate that there is a skewness that exists in the data, thereby creating an average were majority weighting was given to africans that come from poor backgrounds.
* However African nations are now growing at the fastest rate than any other nation on the planet. This would lead to improvements in the socio-economic landscape and the IQs would increase for the poor especially.
* Also technological advances allow information to be gathered at a faster rate which greatly increases the comprehensive avenues individuals can engage in making them more enlightened.
EDIT: (Thought i would add some thoughts)
It's relatively easy to be conscientious. Always strive to reconfirm what you know and identify what you don't know (know unknowns). This approach often leads to the discovery things you didn't know you didn't know (unknown unknowns).
The purpose of this is to minimise and/or prevent yourself from being misinformed and/or ill-informed in your decision making. As well as increasing the different avenues of comprehension you can engage with and learn from. Improving your intellectual and emotional fortitude.
Wrong data creates intellectual vulnerability and emotional volatility. Dangerous for your ecosystem. Just like how good intentions without accurate information never leads to long-term positive outcomes (many economist have proved this).
Effectively creating individuals that develop a victim mentality and misguided entitlement issues. Which further creates a low expectation anti-selection mindset, because they are misinformed and/or ill-informed.
This is not ideal.
Misinformation creates chaos.
And the antidote to chaos is conscientiousness, rationality and order.
Which creates self awareness and true harmony for the individual and the society.
An average value misses out on a lot of relevant descriptive statistics i.e
* Whats is the maximum and minimum values of the IQs ?
* What is the median or even mode of the data ?
* How was the average calculated ? was it a simple average , geometric average ?
* What is the skewness , Kurtosis and distribution of the data ?
* What is the variance and confidence interval of the data ?
* What assumptions where made in the development of the model ?
* Was a regression model used ?
* What weighting was given to the beta values that drive the IQ model ?
* How big was the sample size ?
* When you talk about average black IQ you are also averaging the heterogenous factors that affect the IQ.
** Therefore the average IQ perhaps would be of a black individual that has low level of education , possibly limited access to technology , grew up in an isolated culture and comes from a poor household. This would be the average of such an individual. Across all the factors.
Also an average does not indicate that there is a correlation or a causal relationship.
The fact that there exists variations of IQs between member of one race shown that those variations are not attributed to race. There exists an independence . Therefore the covariance of race and IQ becomes zero. Hence the correlation becomes zero.
This is how beta values are arrived at for each factor considered relevant.
THREE CLASS SOCIETY
We are all given a different level of intelligence for eight reasons:
1. So that the laboring-class lower-half of society can have the slow and careful thought needed to do the most dangerous work in society, manual labor where the slightest miss-calculation could mean the loss of a finger, leg, eye or life.
2. So that the laboring-class may have the slow and careful thought needed to rule government and have the moral capacity to pass the laws, to execute laws and to judge if everyone is in full compliance with the laws.
3. So that the laboring-class in a very slow and careful way, may be the moral and spiritual leaders and administer the religious aspects of life.
4. So that the educated middle-class may have the perfect intelligence to be the technical 25% of society that does the supervision, coordination and communication between the ruling-class and laboring-class.
5. So that the ruling-class may have the capacity to be constantly improving society, the capacity to rule over the labor, production and management of industry and to be an inspiration that challenges everyone to a greater ability to achieve.
6. So that everyone may find their chosen profession challenging, rewarding and most enjoyable.
7. So that everyone may achieve happiness by having compassion and charity for those in a lower-class --- and in a way that produces a grateful response. The end result being a society with no wealth, as everyone passes their excess property down to where it does the most good, with no one making a profit from investments as all improvements are for the good of society.
8. So that everyone would have a clear idea of what bigotry was. Namely, to think that it was shameful to call someone dumb or less intelligent.
This is belief talk. This is flip flopping between terms of ethnicity and race when you find it convenient. Are we all the same? No. Can we all be measured by one metric, again, no. Thus this conversation is mute.
The narrowing of IQ between blacks and whites stopped after the 60s because the civil rights movement made blacks slaves to the new emerging socialist system leading to complacency and delinquency, hence lowering education standards for the blacks. In other words the blacks began to think that swagger was more important than education because it is way more cool.
These guys are total morons, for they believe in evolution. Evolution has been completely refuted, there is zero evidence of it, it is a result of atheistic scientists starting with a position that there is no God, and all of their results from their so-called experiments and studies are unduly and adversely affected by this starting position. In other words, if you start with a false supposition, everything that you determine beyond that point is Tainted by your false starting synopsis. . These guys are a couple of idiots.
So "if" the guys have the right data.
That means that mixing races (b/w) effectively has your possibly kids get a downgrade? Evolution-wise?
EDIT: Especially mixing subsaharan african refugees comming to germany and sweden? If the environment data is right too?
The problem is that a good portion of our (U.S) population (10%) are so dumb (IQ< less than 83) they do not realize how dumb they are and end up claiming victim-hood (racism) to blame others for their failures. It takes some level of intelligence (higher IQ) for self-examination.
I'm Black, and I value science, I understand the importance of personal responsibility, and I'm usually the only person in a room full of people the same color as me to understand certain complex ideas. That being the case, what the hell do I even do in this situation? If it's genetic, then am I an anomaly? If so, am I just destined to be alone in a world where I don't even fit?
What is the meaning of life and why hasn’t it killed us yet ... two people standing side by side both smiling each holding a sign one says iq of 100 the other iq of 75 which one is happier doesn’t matter does it which one will live longer which one is a pervert a rapist a child molester a fart sniffing jerk who cares right
It hurts that Stefan is still given a microphone for his racist bullshit in this world, he consistently skews the facts of genetics to serve his own racist views.
Nb4 i get banned from his channel for disagreeing with him from a basis of a knowledge of genetics
Unlike Stefan I fought in Africa in the 90's with the UN, and his statements on Africa are bullshit and come from a person who has never walked those streets. I will carry the shrapnel I caught there for the rest of my life but stefan has never fought a day in his life and has probably never stepped one foot in Africa.
Show the data I've done a lot of research on this the data doesn't say this .this is part of the Vatican agenda and the Darwinism. To justify control over people. We are brain stem stupid. It's based on Athenian philosophy which polluted christianity in the 2nd and 3rd century with tertulian, origen and many more. These men where philosopher's before becoming Christian. Athenian philosophy say devalue everything except Athenian male. They see everyone as 2nd class humans. And this guy is trying to prove it with DNA. BS
YOU ARE SO VERY INTELLIGENT! SO WHY NOT INCREASE THAT EXTREMELY LOW SPERM COUNT, GET YOUR PEOPLE OFF METH AND OPIOIDS, DECREASE SUICIDES, STOP THE CAUC SCHOOL SHOOTERS AND SHOOTINGS IN ADVANCE AND MOST OF ALL FIGURE OUT WHY THE SUN HATES YOU SO MUCH THAT IT'S TRYING TO KILL YOU EVERY TIME YOU STEP OUTDOORS IN DAYLIGHT. #NIGHTWALKERS
The Creator of the IQ Bs Test, WHo NEVER meant for his skills test to be created as some IQ test, Alfred Binet himself said, It is Impossible to Quantify such a complex thing as Intelligence with a Number. In other words, A person's Intellect is too complex to measure.. He goes on to say, If one was to try to measure Intelligence, You can ONLY measure the Intelligence of people of the SAME Racial and Cultural Background.. Which common sense makes perfect sense Given, Based on Race, and Cultural Background, People learn Completely different, Example, Some people learn from Experience better, others from Visualization, others from observation etc etc. Here is the Article from the Father of the Fake IQ test which was created in France in the Early 1900's. Only to test the level of school children to see how to divide them based on their level of certain subjects when Public schools were 1st being created.. It was NOT created to measure anyone's Intelligence. Until America Of course got their hands on it, and Weaponized it, as a racist attack, But like all Lies, the truth always comes out, So Behold. How the Fake IQ test was created:https://www.verywellmind.com/history-of-intelligence-testing-2795581
I'm thinking that what makes the "IQ Test" stupid bullshit is because of its very generality. Why would I care about your "general" level of "intelligence?" If I want to know how good you are at solving various math problems, I give you a damned math test. If I want to know about your vocabulary, I give you a damned vocabulary test. If I want to find out how much history you know, I give you a damned history test which includes multiple choice and essay questions so you can describe to me in detail how you feel about the Peloponnesian War. Then, after you've taken all my tests and you've aced them one after another, then I would say, Wow, that is one smart son of a bitch.
African immigrants are better educated than European Americans. 42% of African immigrants have a bachelor’s degree or higher; 33% of Americans do. Immigrants from Nigeria? 60.9%.
Racism depends on ignorance. And at a time when knowledge is available instantly and for free, ignorance is increasingly a matter of choice.
You and your viewers are choosing ignorance by listening to your foolishness, that will be your downfall. Africa will be the next China in your lifetime. America will be the next 3rd world cluster fuck with your help Stefan Molyneux, Russia's and your dumb ass flat earth believing followers.
gaymoonbeam try arguing with facts and not feelings, show a credible source that say's African immigrants have higher welfare rates, mind you there's a difference between a refugee and someone immigrating. It's clear you're butt hurt at the fact there are thousands of black people who came from Africa, are smarter than you, more educated than you, and make more money than you.
29% percent of Nigerian immigrants over the age of 25 have a graduate degree compared to our national 11% and earn more than the national average 62,351 vs 57,617 and that was back in 2015.
Getting a degree from a Third World nation is your life achievement, nappyn1g? lmao. Sub-Saharan African immigrants to America are the elites of their nations, but they even have higher welfare rates and crime rates than white and Asian-Americans. Comparing a group to black Americans is laughable. Enjoy trying to make excuses for what nature did to you and keep shouting "We Wuz Kangz!" to yourself and your black SJW fringe minority, negrotard lmao *click*
Yeah the reason for the narrowing stopping it’s called manipulation by pos ppl we call elite globalists today that decided to dumb down ppl until there’s a lose of differences! I do not mean to use terms dumb down what Im referring to is exactly what Steven kinda skirts around holding back ppl while propping up others;(
The sad fact is - this information was not available in the 50s and 60s so in many countries, any suggestion about differences in races was condemned as racism, oppression, apartheid etc etc. Today it's scientific proof but now denied - it's hard to say the critics of the past were actually wrong. I also found it hard to accept that what I thought was not correct - it took some time to accept my error and embraces the truth. Thank you for this excellent discussion.
The agenda of race mixing is driven by jews who have one of the highest IQs on the planet. Its simple, mixup all the races and get the IQ pools down to around 80 so the Jews can be the master rulers without competition.
Awe yes the famous conversational pseudo-science book The Bell Curve. The book made several claims that both went against mainstream scientific beliefs and which some found offensive, despite being written by someone with very good credentials. Broadly, the book suggests that intelligence (particularly IQ) is the best indicator of a person's outcome, rather than socio-economic status and/or education level. This went against the commonly held belief of the time, and indeed of current times. The belief that IQ is can be accurately measured across racial and national lines was and is disputed, or that intelligence can even be represented as a single number. While these are old arguments against IQ, they were very important to the controversy of the book as it focused so heavily on the idea of measurable intelligence.
Further, the book suggested that intelligence is largely (40%-80%) inheritable, and that there are racial differences in intelligence. It did not elaborate too much further, but this statement was enough for a fair few people to describe the authors as racist, particularly in light of the other statements made about intelligence and the recommendations that were aimed at increasing the average IQ of the USA.
Finally, at least in the scientific community, I doubt the authors won much respect by publishing this as a popular science book rather than a piece of peer reviewed research. Many scientists later criticized the methodology of the research, and I imagine cannot have been happy that such a controversial piece of research in their field decided to entirely side-step the peer review process that might have caught some of these problems earlier.
There is no evidence that the gene that controls melanin production also controls intelligence; nor the genes for hair type or nose cartilage, etc. Intelligence is heritable (influenced in part by your total genes) but not easily inheritable (moved intact from one generation to the next). Your own IQ can change over your lifetime; if it was a fixed thing you inherited from your parents this would not be the case. IQs also have been going up as people get better nutrition and more stimulation; again this would not be the case if it were a fixed thing inherited from your parents: it wouldn’t be possible for each generation to have a higher IQ than the last.
It was well-known that lower socioeconomic kids score poorer on IQ tests when “the Bell Curve” was written. In the 1990s Eric Turkheimer validated the proposition that genes play a minor role in determining IQ in impoverished kids. Sandra Scarr studied black kids adopted by white parents in 1976 and found that their IQ was the same as white kids: i.e. it was environment not their DNA.
Finally “race” is a social construct. East African DNA shows 30% contribution from back-migration of Middle Easterners yet in our eyes they are “black”. There is no evidence this gives them a higher IQ than those to the west or south.
We elected a supreme race hustler twice! He and his AG Holder concocted the program which strong armed states to retain students rather than arrest and remove permanently them from school. This led directly to the murder of 17 students in Florida.
Average IQ is simply a result of population dynamics.
It is not surprising that human groups that left Africa have on average a higher IQ than sub-Saharan Africans. It takes guile and intelligence to explore, exploit and ultimately colonize new environments. It's not surprising that those unable to adapt died along the way. Intelligence had a HUGE selection pressure on those population. Couple that with sexual selection and you have what you have today.
This however does not preclude the existence of an African with ridiculously high IQ. They exist. And it makes sense because Africans were the "seed" population. Intelligence as a trait had to exist for their to be selection pressure against it. It existed and still exists in the African population. You might not have enough of them in the population to affect the average but they certainly do exist.
So how do you get a small group of people that have ridiculously high IQ's? Its simple: selective breeding. If I isolated the smartest Africans and forced them to have babies; and force their babies to have babies within this small population, you end up with a group of people with a very high mean IQ. It's not magic.
TLDR; treat people as individuals. Not every black person is dumb and not every Jewish person is smart. We are all results of genetic events beyond our control.
i think he's not looking at the data with eyes wide open to take in all possible reasons. i will come back later to disseminate this statement better, but i'm too tired to type anymore right now. it could be both reasons.
Ethnic and Racial Minorities & Socioeconomic Status
Socioeconomic status (SES) encompasses not just income but also educational attainment, financial security, and subjective perceptions of social status and social class. Socioeconomic status can encompass quality of life attributes as well as the opportunities and privileges afforded to people within society. Poverty, specifically, is not a single factor but rather is characterized by multiple physical and psychosocial stressors. Further, SES is a consistent and reliable predictor of a vast array of outcomes across the life span, including physical and psychological health. Thus, SES is relevant to all realms of behavioral and social science, including research, practice, education and advocacy.
SES Affects our Society
SES affects overall human functioning, including our physical and mental health. Low SES and its correlates, such as lower educational achievement, poverty and poor health, ultimately affect our society. Inequities in health distribution, resource distribution, and quality of life are increasing in the United States and globally. Society benefits from an increased focus on the foundations of socioeconomic inequities and efforts to reduce the deep gaps in socioeconomic status in the United States and abroad.
The relationship between SES, race and ethnicity is intimately intertwined. Research has shown that race and ethnicity in terms of stratification often determine a person’s socioeconomic status (U.S. Census Bureau, 2009). Furthermore, communities are often segregated by SES, race, and ethnicity. These communities commonly share characteristics: low economic development; poor health conditions; and low levels of educational attainment; Low SES has consistently been implicated as a risk factor for many of these problems that plague communities. Research indicates that there are large health disparities based on social status that are pervasive and persistent. These health disparities reflect the inequalities that exist in our society. It is important to understand how various social statuses intersect, because race and socioeconomic status affect health exclusively as well as mutually (Williams & Mohammed, 2013).
SES Impacts the Lives of Many Ethnic and Racial Minorities
Discrimination and Marginalization
Discrimination and marginalization can serve as a hindrance to upward mobility for ethnic and racial minorities seeking to escape poverty.
In the United States, 39 percent of African-American children and adolescents and 33 percent of Latino children and adolescents are living in poverty, which is more than double the 14 percent poverty rate for non-Latino, White, and Asian children and adolescents (Kids Count Data Center, Children in Poverty 2014).Minority racial groups are more likely to experience multidimensional poverty than their White counterparts (Reeves, Rodrigue, & Kneebone, 2016).American Indian/Alaska Native, Hispanic, Pacific Islander and Native Hawaiian families are more likely than Caucasian and Asian families to live in poverty (U.S. Census Bureau, 2014).Although the income of Asian American families often falls markedly above other minorities, these families often have four to five family members working (Le, 2008). African-Americans (53 percent) and Latinos (43 percent) are more likely to receive high-cost mortgages than Caucasians (18 percent; Logan, 2008).African American unemployment rates are typically double that of Caucasian Americans. African-American men working full-time earn only 72 percent of the average earnings of comparable Caucasian men and 85 percent of the earnings of Caucasian women (Rodgers, 2008).
Despite dramatic changes, large gaps remain when minority education attainment and outcomes are compared to white Americans.
African-Americans and Latinos are more likely to attend high-poverty schools than Asian-Americans and Caucasians (National Center for Education Statistics, 2007).From 2000 to 2013 the dropout rate between racial groups narrowed significantly. However, high school dropout rates among Latinos remain the highest, followed by African-Americans and then Whites (National Center for Education Statistics, 2015).In addition to socioeconomic realities that may deprive students of valuable resources, high-achieving African American students may be exposed to less rigorous curriculums, attend schools with fewer resources, and have teachers who expect less of them academically than they expect of similarly situated Caucasian students (Azzam, 2008).12.4 percent of African-American college graduates between the ages of 22 and 27 were unemployed in 2013, which is more than double the rate of unemployment among all college graduates in the same age range (5.6 percent; J. Jones & Schmitt, 2014).
Institutional discrimination creates barriers to health care access. Even when stigmatized groups can access care, cultural racism reduces the quality of care they receive (Williams & Mohammed, 2013).
Racial and ethnic minorities have worse overall health than that of White Americans. Health disparities may stem from economic determinants, education, geography and neighborhood, environment, lower quality care, inadequate access to care, inability to navigate the system, provider ignorance or bias, and stress (Bahls, 2011).Socioeconomic status and race/ethnicity have been associated with avoidable procedures, avoidable hospitalizations, and untreated disease (Fiscella, Franks, Gold, & Clancy, 2008).At each level of income or education, African-Americans have worse outcomes than Whites. This could be due to adverse health effects of more concentrated disadvantage or a range of experiences related to racial bias (Braveman, Cubbin, Egerter, Williams, & Pamuk, 2010).Low birth weight, which is related to a number of negative child health outcomes, has been associated with lower SES and ethnic/minority status (Fiscella et al., 2008).There are substantial racial differences in insurance coverage. In the preretirement years, Hispanics and American Indians are much less likely than Whites, African-Americans, and Asians to have any health insurance (Williams, Mohammed, Leavell, & Collins, 2010).
Socioeconomic deprivation and racial discrimination have been implicated in higher psychological distress.
Wealth partially explains racial and ethnic differences in depression. Negative net worth, zero net worth and not owning a home in young adulthood are significantly associated with depressive symptoms, independent of the other socioeconomic indicators (Mossakowski, 2008).Hispanics and African-Americans report a lower risk of having a psychiatric disorder compared with their white counterparts, but those who become ill tend to have more persistent disorders (McGuire & Miranda, 2008).Research on post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) indicates that African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, American Indians, and Native Hawaiians have higher rates of PTSD than Whites, which are not accounted for by SES and their history of psychiatric disorders (Carter, 2007).American Indians are at heightened risk for PTSD and alcohol dependence (McGuire & Miranda, 2008).Perceived discrimination has been shown to contribute to mental health disorders among racial/ethnic groups such as Asian Americans and African Americans (Jang, Chiriboga, Kim, & Rhew, 2010; Mezuk et al., 2010).Compared with Whites, African-Americans are more frequently diagnosed with schizophrenia, a low-prevalence but serious condition (McGuire & Miranda, 2008).
Consider SES in your education, practice and research efforts.Stay up to date on legislation and policies that explore and work to eliminate socioeconomic disparities. Visit the Government Relations webpage for more details.Visit APA’s Office on Socioeconomic Status (OSES) website.Visit APA’s Office on Aging website.Visit APA’s Office on Ethnic Minority Affairs website.
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I just watched your interview with Dave Rubin on race and IQ. I heard your sincere desire to see the disparity in IQ as having a cause other than just race, that no one can do anything about. I would like to offer a possible connection & reason that you may or may not have noticed yet. To preface what I'm about to say, I suspect that mankind is causing this disparity in IQ. I'll try to covey why I suspect this in as few words as possible.
1st, we know that heavy metals (as well as fluoride) has been shown by science to lowers IQ. These elements are known neuotoxins. We also know people everywhere are being exposed to heavy metals, by environmental pollutants, natural sources, and also via pharmaceuticals and particularly vaccines.
Now bear with me on what I'm going to say next, I know pro-vaccine minions like to pounce as soon as anyone mentions vaccines with diminished brain function, (never-mind the causal relationship is listed in the possible side effects): Consider that most of the developed world is being systematically vaccinated from infancy, also huge areas like India and Africa. Vaccines, as I'm sure you know, contain mercury and aluminum. Science has shown that some people, depending on their genetic disposition, are better at ridding themselves of toxic metals than others, and this might be tied to mitochondria function. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5467355/
Mitochondrial function has been linked to more aggressive cancer in African-American men. So - we see that this function, determined by genetics, is not the same between races. https://www.spaceoar.com/blog/mitochondrial-function-linked-to-more-aggressive-cancer-in-african-american-men/
This calls to mind in 2014 when then lead CDC researcher William W. Thompson, tried blowing the whistle that CDC found compelling evidence that the MMR vaccine was causing, in particular, brain impairment in black boys. That study was suppose to end all debate and show once and for all that vaccines don't cause autism, but instead they found demonstrated a 3.4 fold increase in the incidence of autism in African American boys. Thompson said they met in private and decided to expunge this finding from the final study results. Lets assume for a minute Thompson was telling truth, and was neutralized by the industry, according to their MO. This genetic weakness to rid the body of toxic metals, would explain the higher rates of autism in black boys, as well as the drop in IQ's in those that don't become autistic.
I know, we can find plenty of so called "debunking", "science" web sites, ghost written by the industry, that will attack that example. The industry has done their usual PR damage control, exactly as Sharyl Attkisson describes in this TED Talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU
Even though the powers that be were able to bully a retraction, if you haven't done so already, I'd recommend reading for yourself the scientific paper released by Hooker, published by BMC. https://translationalneurodegeneration.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2047-9158-3-16
But even if we remove the CDC/ Thompson study from the discussion, the case is still found in scientific literature, that blacks have a different mitochondrial-function; and while vaccinating all children is considered a noble enterprise, it may be also favoring those with am advantage, those races with greatest ability to detox heavy metals from the brain.
I'd love to hear back from you but I won't expect it. I do hope you see my message.
Thank you for all you do to try make the world make more sense.
Why is it that Africans like Nelson Mandela and other Black African leaders were able to solve a complex political and social problem like apartheid, that could not be resolved for 350 years by whites, but it took Mandela less than 5 years to construct and engineer a lasting solution and implement a workable Government system.Whereas the whites came with all kinds of solutions from violent one, separate development, repressive systems which all collapse and were not viable for over 300 years..The Nobel peace prize is shared by 3 black SOUTH A fricans..Luthuli,Mandela and Tutu the latter two from same Vilakazi street in Soweto ..Whites are known for solving social and political problems by war, conquest and repressive methods thereby causing more instability than peace can we thus conclude that they lack human interactive skills which are crucial for world peace and stability .The whites quest for technological and industrial innovations ultimately destroys Mother EARTH can that be attributed as a sign of high or low IQ? Maybe we should alter the prism which we use to view Intellectual Superiority, and put first what is good and beneficial for EARTH'S survival.
Last time I looked Mother Earth was still here.
I'm a critic of racist prattle from any and all directions and two words that refute your claim of Black ethical superiority and restraint from violence are Rwanda and Liberia. People are people.
After the unification of East and West Germany the measured average IQ of young East Germans rose by 0.66 point per year between 1992 and 1998 (6.6 points a decade), over the same period the measured average IQ of their West German counterparts declined fractionally. Obviously the rise in IQ in the East cannot reasonably be attributed to genetics, but rather it was certainly a product of better education, higher incomes (GDP in the East rose rapidly over the period) and other social transformations. Would it be fair to suggest that many black people in America live in a subculture of relatively poor education, low incomes and other societal factors that adversely affect the development of many black peoples analytical abilities and so their ability to perform on IQ tests, just as the burden of communism adversely affected East Germans abilities to perform on IQ tests relative to their West German counterparts?
Dylann Roof and James Alex Fields are best evidence of White Superiority - not in the sense of their higher IQ, but their violent tendencies when they fell behind in their social status and economically in the society. If you come out killing those who win in fair competition over you, your gene will have higher probabilities of being passed down to the next generation. It works in prehistoric era and it works today. It's why holocaust and other massive scale atrocities happened. If you can't win fairly you commit murders.
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